America’s Army: We don’t need no stinkin’ draft
The year was 2004. Talk all over the interwebs and on tv was that George W. Bush was going to start a draft. Democrats were doing poorly at the polls despite rallies and protests.
“Today, more than 30 years since the draft ended in 1973, there’s buzz of bringing it back. Besides the countless Internet rumors of an imminent draft, there are in fact two proposals in Congress that would reinstitute conscription.
But the bills — one by Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., and another by Sen. Ernest “Fritz” Hollings, D-S.C. — are unlikely to go anywhere.”
Feeling a draft: Talk of conscription has young adults tuned in to politicsBy Natalie Miscolta-Cameron
John Kerry and John Edwards would lose to Bush and Cheney. John McCain and Sarah Palin would in turn lose to our current president. With a nation still at war in Afghanistan, the economy a mess, North Korea and Iran going nuclear, young people are still tuned out.
The left sold its current campaign as “not-Bush”. A Democrat in the White House would end the wars, bring money and troops home, the seas would recede, the Earth would heal etc. etc.
Now for some reason the left is shilling the idea that our nation and society is “out of touch” with the military and the current war in Afghanistan. For the past 10 years the left has lied and screamed at the military. From a war on military recruiters, angry protests and demands for troops to come home, to shitty Hollywood movies and shrill TV agitprop, the message is clear: the military is evil and soldiers are scum.
So it’s a shocking swerve that for some reason the left is all over the draft again.
. Over the past decade, this all-volunteer force has been put to the test and has succeeded, fighting two sustained foreign wars with troops standing up to multiple combat deployments and extreme stress.
This is precisely the reason it is time to get rid of the all-volunteer force. It has been too successful. Our relatively small and highly adept military has made it all too easy for our nation to go to war — and to ignore the consequences.
–Toss out the all-volunteer military:By Thomas E. Ricks, Washingtonpost.com
“A call up by Selective Service would force Americans to question a war’s necessity and probably would have prevented the killings. Nytimes.com: Lawrence J. Korb, on the Bales killing spree in Afghanistan.
“Reinstating the draft would compel the American public to be part of the shared sacrifice and moral issues at hand. “Nytimes.com: Rep. Charles B. Rangel,
I call BULLSHIT.
Let’s look at the numbers shall we.
|United States Army||561,979|
|Army National Guard||362,015|
|Army National Guard||454,000|
Holy bodycount Batman! The active Army was 1.35 times the size back when the Wall Came down. 1.25 for the National Guard and 2.86 times the size for the Reserve! If ever there was a need for a draft it was during the Cold War against those Dirty Commies. There were five Army divisions in Germany alone. The 8th Infantry, 2nd & 3rd Armored would cease to exist in 1992. There are now only two active brigades in Germany, with one being cut. Like when the Berlin Wall came down, the world is more peaceful now.
With the talks of cutting why does the left want to go back to the draft? Some see draftees as “cheaper” than the volunteer force. No family programs, no MWR, no bonuses. The left and idiots on the right see them as:
Nowadays, everybody who’s nobody serves – a natural consequence of incentivizing service with signing bonuses, comped education, and plush pensions.
–TAH to Mande Wilkes; thanks for being a dick (Thisainthell.us)
Just pack’em, stack’em and rack’em, it’s how the left wants to fill the military. They long for the 1950′s, when young men got drafted out of high school like Elvis. Or were sent there by the courts(until the Supreme Court put a stop to that). Others see sacrifice or lack thereof. Like how the left was obsessed with George Bush’s daughters partying. As if he had some duty to send his daughters off to basic training.
Thomas Ricks, who I just quoted above, is a fellow at the Center for A New American Security. For wanting to abolish the service academies to trying to gut our retirement, these jack-wagons are all about the stupid. Sadly they now infest the Pentagon.
Would a draft make more American’s care about the military? No. The left shit on the GI as soon as Vietnam was over. LBJ (and JFK) sent the military on many adventures:
“In 1965, President Lyndon B. Johnson sent the 82nd Airborne into the Dominican Republic to prevent what he called a second Cuba. He told Sen. J.W. Fulbright (D-Ark.) that if he hadn’t had the deployment-ready military units, he would have had to rely on diplomacy to solve the problem.”
An all-volunteer military poses challenges for U.S.,Walter Pincus, WashingtonPost.Com
Oddly enough, I think Pincus was trying to advocate for a draft.
The reason the left wants to talk about putting young people in the military is that they have nothing to talk about. Not a damn thing. Green energy? NADA. Ending the war? We’re still fighting. The Economy and the “1%”? Not only is the economy in the toilet, but the very rich are doing even better after Bush.
“The left wants to conjure up the specter of conscription to equate Iraq with Vietnam. The issue has gained some traction because it is clear the U.S. Army is spread very thin by deployments in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere and needs to be rebuilt. But it does not follow a draft is necessary.“
Draft duplicity: William Hawkins, WashingtonTimes.com.
The last time the left thought a draft was a good idea this was the result:
Project 100,000 was initiated by Defense Secretary Robert McNamara in October 1966 during American involvement in the Vietnam War and ended in December 1971. Considered part of Johnson’s Great Society by giving training and opportunity to the uneducated and poor, the recruited men were classified as “New Standards Men”
Although entrance requirements were loosened, all the Project 100,000 men were sent through the normal training processes with other recruits, and performance standards were thus the same for everyone.
The men recruited or drafted under this program did not receive the same training as other recruits and draftees after Basic Training was completed. Mr. McNamara and his “Whiz Kids” insisted that these men had to be put into virtually all fields, and this was a disaster.
Again with the wiz kids and the think tanks. I wonder if the grandkids of those “Whiz Kids” work for CNAS or other Foggy Bottom Good Idea Factories.
It’s about getting out the youth vote, not talking about the economy and that your wallet is a lot slimmer but your taxes are higher. It’s about a big lie. And speaking of lies, here’s Ricks again:
We had a draft in the 1960s, of course, and it did not stop President Lyndon Johnson from getting into a ground war in Vietnam. But the draft sure did encourage people to pay attention to the war and decide whether they were willing to support it.
Resuming conscription is the best way to reconnect the people with the armed services. Yes, reestablishing a draft, with all its Vietnam-era connotations, would cause problems for the military, but those could never be as painful and expensive as fighting an unnecessary war in Iraq for almost nine years. A draft would be good for our nation and ultimately for our military.
Yup, a draft for “the young”. We don’t need more drugged out, criminal, spoiled mama’s little special snowflakes. It failed under LBJ. We had a dip in recruting when the war kicked off so the DoD gave out waivers for felonies. And now the DoD has to kick out the druggies and criminals they made the mistake of letting in. We need motivated people, not Forest Gump. Those who want to make a difference are. A Private in the Army or Marines, a Seaman Recruit or Airman Basic would rate “master” or “expert” in the Vietnam-era. Those on the left say they want to make a difference, but they offer no help for vets. They love them the phoney “vets”, the “psycho” vets and those who say they hate the military, but no jobs or love for real vets. They hate the successful vets who return to their communities. They hate seeing Marxists getting blow’d up, seeing Commie countries being beaten on the battlefield. They want the 60′s back.
The all volunteer military is a success and we got this Mr. Ricks. We don’t need a draft.