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Rock Beats Laser? Drones, smart bombs and such.

Posted in guns, politcs, rankers, tech pron, War On Terror with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on 11, November 2009 by chockblock

Via Wired comes another essay in the endless argument against our high tech force.

Taking the Measure of a Slam-Dunk Weapons System

Robot war. It just couldn’t be cooler, could it? Especially if the only blood you spill is the other guy’s, since our “pilots” are flying those planes from thousands of miles away. Soon, it seems, the world will be a drone fest. In his first nine months, President Obama has authorized more drone attacks in the Pakistani tribal borderlands than the Bush administration did in its last three years in office and is now considering upping their use in areas of rural Afghanistan where U.S. troops will be scarce.

In Washington, drones are even considered the “de-escalatory” option for the Afghan War by some critics, while CIA Director Leon Panetta, whose agency runs our drone war in Pakistan, has hailed them as “the only game in town in terms of confronting or trying to disrupt the al-Qaeda leadership.” Among the few people who don’t adore them here are hard-core war-fighters who don’t want an armada of robot planes standing in the way of sending in oodles more troops. The vice president, however, is a drone-atic. He loves ’em to death and reportedly wants to up their missions, especially in Pakistan, rather than go the oodles route.

Drone Race to a Known Future
Why Military Dreams Fail — and Why It Doesn’t Matter

By Tom Engelhardt

Mr. Engelhardt starts here then goes on to try and breathe life into some dead cliches.

The Wonder Weapons Succeed — at Home

So why am I not excited — other than the fact that the drones are also killing civilians in disputed but significant numbers in the Pakistani tribal borderlands, creating enemies and animosity wherever they strike, and turning us into a nation of 24/7 assassins beyond the law or accountability of any sort? Thought of another way, the drones put wings on the original Bush-era Guantanamo principle — that Americans have the inalienable right to act as global judge, jury, and executioner, and in doing so are beyond the reach of any court or law.

And here’s another factor that dulls my excitement just a tad — if the history of air warfare has shown one thing, it’s this: it never breaks populations. Rather, it only increases their sense of unity, as in London during the Blitz under Winston Churchill, in Germany under Adolf Hitler, Imperial Japan under Emperor Hirohito, North Korea under Kim Il Sung, North Vietnam under Ho Chi Minh, and of course (though we never put ourselves in such company, being the exceptions to all history), the United States after 9/11 under George W. Bush. Why should the peoples of rural Afghanistan and the Pakistani borderlands be any different?

Really? “round the clock” bombing hurt the Germans so bad their air force stopped flying. Not the morale but the INDUSTRY was destroyed. Towards the end of the war, their aircraft were made of wood and scraps. Same with Japan. It was the atomic bomb that forced them to end the war, their military was reduced to meeting the allies with sharpened bamboo sticks on the beaches of Japan.

The Viet Cong and North Vietnam were aided and abetted by the USSR. Without the flow of arms, technical know how, intelligence and surface to air missiles, North Vietnam would have folded. They LOST the Tet offensive. America lost the will to fight due to losses (fueled by Russian aid). Iraq both times did not have that aid. And got their brains beat out both times.

Of course, you know the results of this sort of magical thinking about wonder weapons (or technologies) and their properties just as well as I do. The atomic bomb ended nothing, but led to an almost half-century-long nuclear superpower standoff/nightmare, to nuclear proliferation, and so to the possibility that, someday, even terrorists might possess such weapons. The electronic battlefield was incapable of staving off defeat in Vietnam. That impermeable anti-missile shield never came even faintly close to making it into our skies. Those “smart bombs” of the Gulf War proved remarkably dumb, while the 50 “decapitation” strikes the Bush administration launched against Saddam Hussein’s regime on the first day of the 2003 invasion of Iraq took out not a single Iraqi leader, but “dozens” of civilians. And the history of the netcentric military in Iraq is well known. Its “success” sent Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld into retirement and ignominy.

Huh, MAD (mutually assured destruction) kept the Cold War cold. Would he have liked WWII to be come WWIII? Nuclear proliferation is the result of humans wanting to kill each other. India did their bomb on their own. North Korea may have had some help, Pakistan did theirs on their own. So did China. The USSR stole nuclear secrets. We killed the Rosenburgs for their crime in aiding the USSR and making the world a more dangerous place.

The GAO, in the report cited, liked to claim bombs carried by airplanes that didn’t fly (bad weather, mechanical problems etc.) as dropped. Donald Rumsfeld left as SecDef because of the insurgency after the war. We won that one not just with the surge, but by air power and our high tech advantage. The Sons Of Iraq would not have succeeded if it were not for US military might backing them up. Contrawise, the insurgets have had help from Iran, Al Queda and other evil doers. Not enough to save them, just enough to break our hearts.

True, Reagan’s impermeable shield was the purest of nuclear fantasies, but the “high frontiersmen” gathered and, taking a sizeable bite of the military budget, went on a decades-long binge of way-out research, space warfare plans and commands, and boondoggles of all sorts, including the staggeringly expensive, still not operational anti-missile system that the Bush and now Obama administrations have struggled to emplace somewhere in Europe. Similarly, ever newer generations of smart bombs and ever brighter missiles have been, and are being, developed ad infinitum.

Really? My career field is in missile defense. We do what you call impossible everyday. Critics keep insiting that the system wont work or that our enemies are too dumb to build missiles that can hit us. Or they argue that terrorists will sneak a bomb past our borders. Now they try to have it every which way but lose. They won’t lest us strengthen our borders, now will they lest us build anti-missile systems. Nor do they believe our intel.

Our weapons work. Not the way politicians want them to, but they do work. Civilian deaths? It’s called war for a reason. Sadly terrorists and other scum surround themselves with innocent people. We don’t attack we’re cowards. We hit them and we are cruel. Well, they want cruel, and they admit that they love death more than we love life.

Mr. Engelhardt goes on to lament the monies spent on drones. Classic hippe arguments that don’t hold water. Every dollar spent on our military brings back civlian returns and makes sure that people are free to read this blog and Mr. Engelhardt’s too. We must fight them. We care about innocent lives and grieve their loss. The enemy does not. Their bloodlust knows no bounds. Well our weapons have a longer reach and bigger punch. Too bad for them.

The last paragraph is a risible mention of the Terminator movies. *facepalms* In the real world American Soldiers, Marines, Sailors and Airmen risk their lives. Drones help save our people, innocent civilians and our allies.

To hell with the enemy.

Drones are tools nothing more.

“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.”

General George S. Patton

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Dumbth: Liberals and the War on Terror

Posted in politcs, rankers, Uncategorized, War On Terror with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on 11, November 2009 by chockblock

“See – we have a problem,” Matthews said. “How do we know when someone like Hasan is going to make his move and do we know he’s an Islamist until he’s made his move? He makes a phone call or whatever, according to Reuters right now. Apparently he tried to contact al Qaeda. Is that the point at which you say, ‘This guy is dangerous?’ That’s not a crime to call up al Qaeda, is it? Is it? I mean, where do you stop the guy?”

Newsbusters: “Matthews on Ft. Hood Suspect Warning Signal: ‘That’s Not a Crime to Call al Qaeda, Is It?'”

By Jeff Poor, November 9, 2009 – 21:11 ET

YES it is a crime to all a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.

We had Naomi Wolf claiming that Sara Palin “falsely linked al Qaeda to 9/11.”, when she wasn’t afraid of a military coup taht never happened.

Reason number #102938 I don’t miss college is people like Wolf and Mathews. They love lefty politics and see the world in Marx colored glasses.

“While the Obamas host a Halloween Party outside the White House for military families, peace activists will also don costumes and call on Obama to oppose the surge in Afghanistan and end the wars… The activists will be dressed as zombie soldiers, ghosts of war victims, a monstrous Obama’s Afghanistein and more.
–Big Government:Obama Ally Code Pink Targets Children of Military Families for Psychological Abuse

Have these people no shame? No decency? At long last, someone needs to ask these idiots “Have you no shame?”. FYI: Code Pink was/is a major donor to the Democratic Party.

20 years ago this week the Berlin Wall came down.

No mention of Ronald Regan, US forces in West Germany or the aid America gave to freedom.

The popular myth is that the wall kind of toppled over by itself, with a little push from people power. That of course ignores not only the prior 44 years of Cold War … interspersed with several hot ones that cost us tens of thousands of American lives … it also ignores the massive military buildup of the 1980s, the encouragement of liberation movements behind the Iron Curtain, the tough engagement with old-school Soviet leaders and, not least, the cordial engagement with a Soviet leader who realized it was time to throw in the towel. An atmosphere was finally created in which people felt like the could challenge the wretched, murdeorus regime with impunity, and they did.


Here’s Ross Douthat at NYT, who was not yet 10 when that happened, not only thinks the wall was shoved over by German flower children…

” Never has liberation come to so many people all at once — to Eastern Europe’s millions, released from decades of bondage; to the world, freed from the shadow of nuclear Armageddon; and to the democratic West, victorious after a century of ideological struggle.
Never has so great a revolution been accomplished so swiftly and so peacefully, by ordinary men and women rather than utopians with guns.”


VEE Day, Jules Crittenden

And now we have Militant Islamic terror[tm], trying to kill us. Many in this country are in deep denial.

Former Navy SEAL Richard Marcinko, in his first book, criticized President Regan for seeing terrorism through the cold war. He felt it was more of chaos vs. order. I think it’s more good vs. evil. Terrorists are not the poor downtrodden masses or innocent people swept up in the war on terror. They are thugs and hatemongers pure and simple.

The Stazi killed many Germans, they funded the Red Brigades to kidnap and kill more. One President dared their soviet master to tare down the wall they hid behind.

Why can’t the left do the same today?

Chew on this: Yes we Can?

Posted in politcs, rankers, War On Terror with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on 20, October 2009 by chockblock

Tasty links as the month of October leaves us:

  1. “What the left-wing excuse factory wants is for the American people to overlook the radicalism of the people populating Obama’s inner circle”(Patterico)
  2. Shepard Fairey Lies like a rug, gets caught Like all propaganda, the HOPE poster is as thin as a (false) promise.(Jues Crittenden)
  3. “Via Recovery.gov
    Obama would have done better if he would have opened a McDonalds in each state.”
    (Gateway Pundit)
  4. Turkey goes from pro-Western Democracy to “a full member of the Iranian axis” and our leaders don’t care. (powerline)
  5. Ace defends Rush Limbaugh (Ace of spades)
  6. Lapdog Media Pot calls Fox News kettle black (Jawa Report)
  7. “…a lot of folks are saying health care is a right for all and we all should help pay for it. I’m wondering: Since owning a gun is a right, do you think everyone can chip in and get me a new rifle? (Confederate Yankee)
  8. Gates reminds Emanuel/Obama he is Sec Def(ace of spades)

also via Gateway Pundit:

Broken windows & broken cities

Posted in politcs, rankers, Uncategorized, War On Terror with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on 30, September 2009 by chockblock

The violence in Mexico has been on the upswing since the 1990’s. From horrific news reports to movies like Traffic, the war on drugs in Mexico is a real war. Sadly it’s been one of mostly casualties.

Desperate to resolve the situation, the President of Mexico and many in the US media, horrified at the violence, claim that up to 90% of the guns there come from the US. Some even claim that fully automatic rifles and machine guns (banned or heavly restricted in the US and banned outright in Mexico) come from the US. Not true.

The violence stems from the failure of Mexican institutions to function. The police and military are corrupt. Soldiers and cops desert their posts (taking their weapons with them). Many are on the take or owned outright by the cartels. A whole unit deserted to work for the cartels. Los Zetas was a special forces unit of the Mexican army paid for and trained by the US. They deserted and now are almost a cartel themselves.

The failure of government to enforce the little things makes the bigger crimes possible.

From City Journal comes this tale:

The Truth About Policing and Skid Row:
For 25 years, Skid Row constituted a real-world experiment in the application of homeless-advocate ideology. The squalor that engulfed the 50-block district just east of downtown Los Angeles was the direct outgrowth of advocates’ claims that the homeless should be exempt from the rules of ordinary society. The result was not a reign of peace and love among society’s underdogs, but rather brutal predation and depravity. Occupants of the filthy tents and lean-tos that covered every inch of sidewalk in the area pimped each other out and stole from, stabbed, and occasionally killed one another. Gangs and pushers from South Central and East Los Angeles operated with impunity under cover of the chaos that reigned on the streets.

The intrepid small wholesalers and warehouse owners who tried to keep the area’s once vigorous commercial trade alive removed feces, condoms, and hypodermic needles from the entrance to their properties every morning. Elderly residents of the local Single Room Occupancy hotels were imprisoned in their tiny apartments, terrified to go outside.

A hell on Earth created by social activists causes a spike in murders, drugs and other crime. A fatal shooting happened inside a “clinic” operated by some bleeding hearts. Lax rules and no police presence caused a double homicide.

In 2006, Los Angeles Police Chief William Bratton announced a full-scale attack on Skid Row anarchy. His Safer City Initiative (SCI) would be a demonstration project, he said, for Broken Windows theory, which holds that tolerance for low-level forms of crime and disorder allows more serious crime to fester. When the police started enforcing jaywalking, public urination, and public camping laws, thousands of warrant absconders and violent parolees on the lam lost their refuge. Order gradually returned to the streets.

….

Skid Row’s radical social-service providers and public-housing advocates declared war on the Safer City Initiative. They directed a nonstop barrage of propaganda and lawsuits against the LAPD, claiming that its officers were abusing the poor on behalf of would-be gentrifiers. One of the most vocal critics was Casey Horan, executive director of Lamp Community and a highly public presence in Skid Row politics.

….

Given Horan’s long record of opposition to assertive policing, jaws dropped all over Skid Row on the morning of August 12, 2009, when the Los Angeles Times quoted Horan criticizing the LAPD for not fighting lawless behavior aggressively enough. Horan’s about-face came in a Times exposé of the reckless mismanagement at Lamp that had led to a double murder in April. Horan’s desperate effort to deflect responsibility for the violence in her own facility contradicted everything she had ever said against the Safer City Initiative and blew apart the advocates’ longstanding opposition to proactive policing.

At around 5 am on April 12 (Easter Sunday), a drug dealer and an associate were gunned down while watching TV in a Lamp residence.

And so the article continues.

Broken windows. Drug legalization and gun bans do nothing. Without the will or ability to enforce basic laws and rules, society breaks down. Criminals see a green light to step in. Like Skid Row, the poor sections of Mexico have no police presence, or the police are part of the problem. No functioning government, so criminals can operate in the open.

Now “War Is Boring”‘s Zach Rosenburg puts forth some solutions to the violence in Mexico.

South of the Border, Part Two:
2) Tighten restrictions on weapon purchases through new restrictions or better enforcement. Of course, the cartels can — and do — obtain weaponry elsewhere, but the quality, quantity, and ease of obtaining high-grade weaponry here makes the U.S. a natural arms market.* Denying them the opportunity to use American weapons may substantially raise the risk, and thereby the cost, of purchasing weapons. However, as any politician knows, legislating anything to do with guns invokes the wrath of constituents like little else. Politicians in the American Southwest, who have the greatest interest in stopping violence in Mexico, also have the constituencies least likely to agree with restrictions on weapons. Better enforcement is certainly a possibility, but many of the weapons going to Mexico are legal until they actually cross the border.

3) Tighten restrictions on money to deny cartels their profits. The same principles above apply to this idea. Americans generally do not appreciate restrictions to the free flow of cash, and there are easy ways around the restrictions in place.

4) Allow the shipments of the least violent organizations through while cracking down on the most violent, allowing the more peaceful smugglers a crucial competitive edge. Frankly, I don’t know if this ideal organization exists, but by clearly favoring organizations that do the least damage to the extent that it creates a major price disparity, other groups are given an incentive to do less harm. Alternately, as a certain amount of violence in Mexico is due to smuggling groups fighting each other, allowing one group a monopoly on the best smuggling routes could lead to much less competition.

5) Bankrupt Mexican smugglers by encouraging alternate smuggling routes or production from less harmful places. Take radars down from Caribbean routes; stop patrolling the Canadian border; let more Asian cargoes through without inspection. Allow the competition easier access to American markets, thus denying Mexican cartels a competitive edge. Canadian institutions are likely to be less susceptible to corrupting influences than Mexican institutions; violence in northern Cambodia would not affect as many Americans as in northern Mexico. Will coca grow in Asian climates?

7) Put smuggling organizations in a position where the costs of violence are far outweighed by the benefits of nonviolence.

Back to City Journal and the Safe Streets Initative:

One of the most vocal critics was Casey Horan, executive director of Lamp Community and a highly public presence in Skid Row politics. Lamp is a subsidized housing provider that counsels its mentally ill clients to use drugs “safely”—an approach to drug treatment known as “harm reduction”—rather than requiring abstinence from drugs as a condition of residency. Los Angeles Times columnist Steve Lopez has championed Horan, giving Lamp a prominent and always virtuous role in his book and subsequent movie about Skid Row, The Soloist.
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Horan’s denial that the Lodge sheltered a busy drug trade was childish but hardly surprising. Her explanation for how the murders could have happened in her facility, however, was nothing short of stunning. She had the gall to blame the police for the murders—because they weren’t policing aggressively enough on Skid Row, she said! “It was really the Wild West out there,” Horan sniffed. “We were aware that this is bleeding through our doors.” The “LAPD did not adequately police the area immediately outside the Lodge,” the Times paraphrased her as saying, “despite numerous calls Lamp made to them about crime there.”

No reduction of our freedoms will fix Mexican violence. Only a stable Mexican government will do that. Unless they have the will, gun bans are meaningless. Reducing American demand will help, but the Zetas are going global. Drugs are popular all over the world, we just happen to be a neighbor to a nearly failed state. Even the biggest cities swim in garbage, pollution, crime and poverty run rampant. In El Paso, you can see the lack of basic services from the border. What good would there be in trying to reduce harm when the cartels’ money goes farther in the crushing poverty of the cities they operate in?

Lax enforcement of our laws in not the answer. Yes we need to reduce demand in the states, but that only works if drug use and distribution is a crime. Otherwise addicts have no incentive to get clean. “Harm reduction” does not work. With no teeth, people don’t care about the law. That’s why addicts and dealers shot up the “clinics” in Skid Row. That is why the cartels will walk allover lax enforcement. Worse, terrorists will expolit it to strike at America. Broken Windows indeed.

Just as there was no harm reduction in Skid Row, there will be no harm reduction in Mexico. They need to win this one. The cartels must not be able to run and hide. These are not social clubs, they kill without mercy. We can help the people turn the tide, but Mexicans must fight their own battles. From beating the cartels to fixing the potholes. It’s their battle to win or lose.

Repression: UPDATE VAN JONES QUITS

Posted in politcs, Uncategorized, War On Terror with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on 5, September 2009 by chockblock

It seems we on the right and left like to sometimes assume some of our opponents’ qualities. That is a mistake. You guys should stick to the repressive and oppressive arts, which you are good at. We’ll stick to liberation, which we are good at. –John Grant Opens mouth and inserts foot.

The left lost me with it militant anger at the military, America and modern Amercian life. For a movement that espouses non-violence, tolerance and freedom, they are repressive, bigoted and militant. Mr. Grant’s holier than thou attitude sums up the modern left.

When confronted with the fact, with rejection of the leftist agenda, panic ensues among them. The organized protests (astro-turf), personal attacks and outright lies soon follow. “Progressives” may espouse freedom and peace, but they want control.

Now I don’t believe that all lefties want to destory the country. Some actually believe in making things better. But obsession with the enemy has transformed them into the enemy. Others are trapped in their skewed world view. To them the United States represents repression and corruption. Even as they enjoy our freedoms they root for the destruction of the “establishment”, to borrow a 60’s term. Seeing America fall makes them happy.

WHat both groups have in common is the desire to control and dominate.

Engywook: Next is the Magic Mirror Gate. Atreyu has to face his true self.

Falcor: So what? That won’t be too hard for him.

Engywook: Oh, that’s what everyone thinks! But kind people find out that they are cruel. Brave men discover that they are really cowards! Confronted by their true selves, most men run away screaming!
The Neverending Story.

To achieve their desires, they want control. Over our economy, our lives, and our language. Socialized health care puts the government, not doctors, in control. your medical decisions come from bureaucrats trying to cut costs. Sarah Palin has a son with down’s syndrome, under single payer, that son is an afterthought, a hindrance. He would not get the care he needs because she did not abort him. The elderly, those with cancer. They too are denied care by rationing because that’s fair in the left’s eyes.

Recently, eco-terrorists with the Earth liberation Front toppled an AM radio tower. They claim that Am radio transmissions “cause adverse health effects including a higher rate of cancer, harm to wildlife, and that the signals have been interfering with home phone and intercom lines.” Claimed an urgent need to act, the used a stolen excavating machine to try and force the Am station off the air. There was no crisis. Just a need to cause mayhem. It gets them publicity. ELF has a spokesman. They wanted the press. AM radio transmissions have been going on since the 1970’s yet now they feel the need to act. Then they can claim even more outrage when the government slaps them down.

When confronted with their lie, the left rages. The town hall protesters, Sara Palin? Racist. The governemnt, the AM radio station? Polluters. They are out to get them. The left can through up the argument “Look we were wronged, we’re fighting the good right, just look at the opposition!” Rational people would say that they are not intimidated by thugs. People living in the real world don’t want to be beaten down.

That’s unacceptable. That calls for more “direction action”, a euphemism for violence. Or repressive laws. Or lies from sympathetic media figures. Never ones to fight fair, they want to bend and twist society until freedom is just a memory. The man with his finger bitten off at a town hall protest? The left ignored it or tried to spin the story in their favor, whitewashing a brutal act. True the man was being violent, but when push comes to shove, the left is worse. They love violence and mayhem. Only they are better at disguising it as “activism”. You are wrong for stading up for your rights, they are right for kicking you in the face.

That’s repression.

UPDATE: Yeah, Mr. Jones. Your beliefs in 9/11 truth and radical left wing ideology are so important that the Administration has graciously given you more personal time to practice them.

Gutless wonder of a conspiracy theorist quits gutless wonder of a White House in the wee hours of Sunday morning, Labor Day weekend. Good work, Rahm. It’ll be out of the papers by Tuesday. Given that the Van Jones Truther scandal was barely covered in the first place, it’s like it never happened.– Jules Crittenden sums it up

Thoughs on the passing of Sen. Kennedy

Posted in politcs, rankers with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , on 29, August 2009 by chockblock

On Tuesday, 25 August, Senator Ted Kennedy passed away from cancer. Some reactions were understated, others vulgar. I feel for his family. Having lost many family members to disease and old age, the death of a loved one is not to be taken lightly.

The left however, didn’t even wait for his body to get cold. Already they are trying to keep their majority in the senate and pass the Nazi-esque monstrosity that is their version of health care reform.

Kennedy’s scandals showed that, despite the image of him as a the liberal lion, he was just another rich boy who could hide behind his family name and wealth at the first sign of trouble. While he did serve in the Army during the 1950’s, he did so becasue of troubles at Harvard. His father used his political pull to keep him out of the Korean War.

A rich man from a rich family used his clout to expand government, put liberals on the supreme court and bragged about attending military funerals when he was in fact a no-show.

I loath “limousine liberals”/”cavair commies” the most. They have wealth and power, enjoying it in one of the most prosperous countries in the world and they want to turn this country into a banana republic. One where they are the dictators and the little people (you and me) must shut up and do as they are told. Dressing up like the common man but acting like kings is their M.O. Monuments are built on the backs of the people by the powerful few who abused them. Sadly that seems to be in vogue now.

My father thought I was being mean to Ted Kennedy when I said I could never forgive him for leaving a woman to die. I was all of 14 when I read about the incident in history class. Later, I would join the army. One of our core values is “Never Leave A Fallen Comrade.”

I feel bad for the Kennedy family, but my tears are for Mary Jo Kopechne. She would be in her 60’s today.

War and Peace: What War? (Why the left is made of fail Part II)

Posted in politcs, rankers, War On Terror with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on 19, August 2009 by chockblock

It seems that a change of presidents has changed the agenda of the far left.

Remember Bush’s War[tm]? Remember all those children in Iraq/Afghanistan that were beling killed by Bushhitler?
The left did, right up until a few months ago.

“It’s not getting much attention, but the Netroots Nation conference (formerly known as YearlyKos, a spinoff from the left-wing website DailyKos) is going on in Pittsburgh this weekend. Democratic pollster Stanley Greenberg has conducted a straw poll of the participants and found that a majority of those surveyed, 53 percent, say they “cannot support a health care reform bill that does not include a public option.” Other results include word that most of the attendees are willing to compromise a bit on environmental legislation, even though it gives a lot of benefits to big corporations, and the finding that, amazingly enough, attendees voice near-unanimous approval, 95 percent, of the job Barack Obama is doing as president.

What’s truly striking in Greenberg’s poll is the degree to which the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have fallen off the progressive radar. ”

The netroots agenda: War? What war?, Byron York, Washington Examiner.

The war in Iraq and Afghanistan was Bush’s to win or lose. Mostly lose according to the rabid left. The wikipedia entry for ANSWER, CODE PINK et. al. is filled with crap about peace, racism and other blather, but the truth is more about hatred of the US and former President Bush.

Even Cindy Sheehan is falling from the spotlight. Much was made of the mother of a fallen soldier protesting outside of Crawford Texas (Bush’s ranch). BUt she turned out to be a whore for the cameras, seeking publicity and fame over her son’s casket. Now that the left has moved on, she’s a ghost:

“Cindy Sheehan is learning that. She’s still protesting the war, and on Monday she announced plans to demonstrate at Martha’s Vineyard, where President Obama will be vacationing.

“We as a movement need to continue calling for an immediate end to the occupations [in Iraq and Afghanistan] even when there is a Democrat in the Oval Office,” Sheehan said in a statement. “There is still no Noble Cause no matter how we examine the policies.”

Give her credit for consistency, if nothing else. But her days are over. The people who most fervently supported her have moved on.”– For the Left, war without Bush is not war at all
By: Byron York , Washington Examiner

“It’s such a sad story. Martha Raddatz [of ABC News] wrote a terrific book about one battle that took place in Iraq, and it was the battle in which Cindy’s son was killed. And you look at somebody like that and you think here’s somebody who’s just trying to find some meaning in her son’s death. And you have to be sympathetic to her. Anybody who has given a son to this country has made an enormous sacrifice, and you have to be sympathetic. But enough already.
Charles Gibson, ABC News quoted by Byron Gibson

It was all about Bush, the Republicans and hatred of the same. Without a draft, with out Bush no groundswell of rage, no protests, no marches, nothing. Except outside the far left, the commies and their fellow travelers in universities and the media.

Even an organization that purports to be for veterans against the war (Iraq Veterans Against the War) is more about coating far left communism/socialism in olive drab than actually helping veterans. From advocating sabotage of military equipment to putting smelly hippies in cammies out front of protests, they have not done a thing for real veterans. Many active duty soldiers coached by anti-war groups have seen their sentences for awol/missing movement maxed. Many of their more public members had no duty in Iraq.

So waht is the take home message? The left is still made of fail. Parlor Pinks who are all talk until actual work has to be done. They were never in any danger or being drafted or seeing their civil liberties eroded. They care nothing about the people of Iraq or Afghanistan, or US troops. They would have supported US troops and ther mission overseas if the really cared about peace. Instead they wanted the US to lose. A bloodbath is sexy to them, dead bodies (any dead bodies) prove that Bush is bad. Now that the US presence in Iraq is winding down and troop levels in Afghanistan are increasing, not a peep from the left.

It was never about the war, it never was.

(major h/t to This Ain’t hell, Ace O’ Spades, Neptunus Lex, and Powerline.).